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nope! |
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I understand DIN 1505-2 isn't technically valid anymore, but it still appears to see a fair amount of usage, so we're not going to merge them with ISO 690, no. As for the citation format -- the two formats do different things. |
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@adam3smith; The amount of usage means nothing when this citation style is the only one, which suits the German standard, as it claims by its name. Afterall, many people will discover that there are problems with this style. Well, the name 'DIN 1505' could remain, because many people keep searching for this outdated standard. Still it should have 'ISO 690' added into its name, so this style can be found by both search terms. As I already explained above by the source code, the original version of DIN 1505 wrongly produces [1], [2] instead of [1, 2]. This forces many people to search for a better alternative style. |
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As far as I know, the ISO 690 standard is distinct from the DIN 1505 style. |
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If ISO 690 did not replace DIN 1505, then I would not have opened this issue on github. |
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I understand 1505 isn't valid as a DIN anymore. I'm fairly certain, though, that this doesn't make its use impossible or illegal and I'd be fairly certain that there are plenty of Lehrstühle that still refer, We have plenty of "outdated" citation styles (such as APA 5th edition, MLA 7th edition, Chicago 16th edition, etc.) available for download for just that reason. We´ll keep DIN 1505-2 for just that reason, though I´m happy to take PRs for an ISO 690 one (and it looks like @ApolloLV has started work on that). As for [1], [2] vs. [1, 2] I was asking which is/was correct according to the DIN. I couldn't find a clear statement either way and both occur in citation styles. |
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According to DIN ISO 690:2013-10, |
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I'll take a look at the rules in the old DIN 1505-2 later. |
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We don't necessarily need to rename "DIN 1505-2" into "ISO 690", but we should merge these two names somehow, so people will find the updated ISO when searching for outdated DIN... I would say, most university citation manuals are just outdated. So let us just help them to discover the updated version ;) ...by the way: I discovered this github entry by searching for DIN via Mendeley Desktop, which uses these citation styles hosted here on github. |
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I still disagree with merging styles, but what might be acceptable is to amend the title of the "DIN 1502-2" as "DIN 1502-2 (ersetzt durch ISO 690)" or to change "ISO 690" to "ISO 690 (Ersetzt DIN 1502-2)" |
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I'm sorry, but I can not access DIN 1505-2 because of its withdrawn status. |
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The withdrawn DIN can still be read in your local library. I can give you reasons, why the citation style should be updated: ISO 690 has no catastrophic differences to DIN 1502-2. Users might not realise the difference. |
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Is this issue closed? Or does it still exist? |
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Well, no action was taken AFAIK. |
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I have created a merge request adding the notice.
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gloschtla commentedAug 31, 2019
Since there is a problem with DIN-1502-numeric.csl, I found out that in line 205 the following needs to be corrected:
<layout prefix="[" suffix="]" delimiter="], [">
..into:
<layout prefix="[" suffix="]" delimiter=", ">
This line I discovered after I have created my own fork from iso690-numeric-fr.csl, in order to correct the problems of DIN-1502-numeric.csl
Another unwanted feature in DIN-1502-numeric.csl is the import of my notes.
Anyway, would you please merge DIN and ISO into one csl and also provide a version without abstract, notes?